The Iron Psychologist (with Jamil Zaki)

Today we are delighted to be joined by guest Jamil Zaki. Jamil is an assistant professor at Stanford University and director of the Stanford Social Neuroscience Laboratory. We talk with Jamil about The People’s Science, a nonprofit he co-founded that promotes direct engagement between scientists and the public. Plus: In our letter of the week, we talk about when neuroscience adds value to psychological research (and maybe when we’re not so sure). And we tell the story of where the name “The Black Goat” came from.

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The Black Goat is hosted by Sanjay Srivastava, Alexa Tullett, and Simine Vazire. Find us on the web at, on Twitter at @blackgoatpod, or on Facebook at You can email us at You can subscribe to us on iTunes.

Our theme music is Peak Beak by Doctor Turtle, available on under a Creative Commons noncommercial attribution license.

This is episode 13. It was recorded June 27, 2017.